Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Return-Path: news@google.com Delivery-Date: Tue Apr 30 09:57:44 2002 Delivery-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:57:44 -0700 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) id 172aeW-0002CM-00 for sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:38:56 +0200 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:38:52 -0700 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:38:52 -0700 for sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:38:52 -0700 To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org From: Psl@interchange.ubc.ca (Paul Lakowski) Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated Subject: Re: Lineage of Chinese MBT's Date: 30 Apr 2002 09:38:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: References: X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.23.94.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:38:52 GMT Content-Length: 2034 Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 566a6c6d.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 1020190380 gemini.tycho.net 79558 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net TTK Ciar wrote in message news:... > > As far as I can tell, the Type-59 was a copy of the Soviet T-54A, > and a few designs were based on the Type-59: The Type-62 (light > tank, practically an LAV), the Type-69 (T-55 imitation), and the > Type-80. > Type 80 is the start of the departure from T-59 development to modern Chinese tanks...I gather the Chinese captured a T-62 in 1969[?] and T-80 looks like this....sort of! Any way the hull is redesigned and may have layered armor. > The Type-85 was derivative of the Type-80, and in turn begat the > Type-88, and assumedly both use the same chassis as the Type-59? Yes except the hull was based on the modified T-80 chassie, not T-59. > After the Type-85, China developed the Type-90, and from the > Type-90 were derived the Type-98 and Al-Khalid (or the Al-Khalid > may have been derived from the Type-98 -- different references > claim one or the other). > > My big mystery is whether the Type-90 was based on an original > chinese design, or was derivative of the Type-85, or of some foreign > tank. Do the Type-90, Type-98, and Al-Khalid use the same basic > chassis as the Type-59, or did they start over with something new? > FAS, China Defense, and other references I've found are vague. > Type 85 started out as a modified Type 80 with a T-72 style front hull with compounded armor...As the development continued a new turret was developed to house the 125mm gun and ceramic steel sandwich armor.Type 90 is a export developement of Type 85, with various options . Type 98 is supposed to be an improved Type 85-III with new narrower turret and more armor [ some variants are claimed to have DU armor] and a future variant is planned to mount a 140mm gun [Type 98 B or C?] See CMF for more info, they can give you better details on the linage ....I can't find the darn website right now , maybe some one else can get it , it not I'll post it later!