Path: spln!rex!lex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-la!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Return-Path: news@google.com Delivery-Date: Thu Oct 25 21:15:30 2001 Delivery-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:12:55 -0700 for <sci-military-moderated@retro.com>; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:11:39 -0700 (PDT) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:55:33 -0700 for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:55:33 -0700 for sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:55:32 -0700 To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org From: psl@interchange.ubc.ca (Paul Lakowski) Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated Subject: Re: WWII Armor types Date: 25 Oct 2001 20:55:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <de5bf54f.0110251955.1d61c689@posting.google.com> References: <i3qB7.152293$5A3.52800604@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.23.94.71 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 2001 03:55:32 GMT Content-Length: 1331 Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: bc492c9c.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 1004073855 gemini.tycho.net 444 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: spln sci.military.moderated:39831 "Jon Harshaw" <harshawj@Home.com> wrote in message news:<i3qB7.152293$5A3.52800604@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>... > I was curious if there was any experimentation with advanced armor types > during WWII. What I'm talking about is something along the line of laminate > or Chobham. I suspect laminate may have been utilized (Soviet?) but > certainly nothing like Chobham. I'm aware that the Germans at least implemented the "Schurzen" > (hopefully spelled correctly) to mitigate mobility kills from bazookas on > the tread and road wheel areas of the vehicles. Just a minor point, the schutzen shields where designed in 1943 to defeat Russian 14.5mm HVAP shot. As to armor construction techniques , the Germans fielded spaced armor plates on the front mantle and driver plates of the Pz-III. It was later discovered in british tests that these detonated APHE after penetrating the first outer plate. That is why the 6lb AP ammo had the HE filler replaced with inert material. Russian sources "Valera Potapov" RBF site has reported that this type of armor even defeated all thier APHE shells even 122mm APHE shells, which exploded in between the inner and outer plates! I don't know why the germans never continued the practice , since most shells in WW-II were APHE types. I suspect it had to do with the cost of construction.